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're not sure the sort of extent of that? >> that -- >> educated guess. >> that's the big question. that is our question, thank you very much for the top democrat on the house budget committee is expressing some optimism that a deal can be had to avert tax hikes and massive spending cuts. chris van holland joining us from the capitol. thank you very much, congressman. >> good to be with you. >> do we know nothing from the secret talks? >> well, we don't know a lot, andrea, but you presented it very well in that lead-in there. there are a couple of things that have changed. number one, you now have the face-to-face meetings between the president, the speaker of the house. that's obviously good news. always better than not talking. sending, you have this growing awareness on the part of congressional republicans that their earlier position was unsustainable. the idea that they would allow the economy to go down the tubes, allow tacks to go up on virtually every american all in order to protect the bonus tax breaks for high income earners. more and more republicans are recognizing that that's not
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, education, voter suppression, what the leadership has done is, say on immigration, we want deportation. when it talks about education, it's talking about not funding it anymore. when they talk about voter suppression, they deny people the right to vote -- >> but you grew up in this party. it has been a party tough on immigration before, hasn't it? hasn't it been a tough party on a number of issues you've mentioned before? >> there's no question about that. >> when do you think the republican parties broke bad? when did it start to be a part that you couldn't be a member of anymore? >> i think it started several years ago. maybe two, three years ago. i mean, i left the party two years ago and became an ind pen dependent. i did so, because of the fact that on all of those issues, it just wasn't comfortable for me to be there anymore. but, you know, for me, as a live and let live kind of guy, as somebody who wants to be toll rant, who wants to be kind, the leadership doesn't seem to embrace that kind of view. so it became uncomfortable to me. the values that my mother and father raised me and m
college education, and it was at that time that howard became a labor activist. howard moved to san francisco in 1967, with his lover, roger. he continued to work in the antiwar movement as a organizer in opposition to the vietnam war and staff organizer for the national peace coalition. his efforts and those of other progressive activists to bring into the movement -- to bring labor into the movement were very successful when the northern california labor councils were the first to actually oppose the vietnam war. with the rise of an organized movement in the gay community in the early 1970's, howard founded the bay area gay liberation inkn 1975, which was to advance lgbt rights here in san francisco. the organization's life was actions for lgbt rights and dramatically increased the san francisco. during that period he formed the committee to defend gays in the military. this was back in the mid-1970's. and he began his work on the boycott in 1975. of course those of us who know a little bit about harvey milk know a little bit about his involvement in that boycott. as howard explai
on how best to educate and otherwise care for their children with disabilities, and another provision of the treaty that can be read to obligate the united states government to pay for abortion services. >> you're just interpreting things. it never uses the word abortion, it basically says that disabled people should have the same access to health care that other people have, non-disabled people have overseas, again, we're talking about overseas. >> it does refer to reproductive rights and reproductive rights in this context has been interpreted to include abortion, and this is -- >> interpreted by you. >> -- an interpretation -- yes, and a number of other people who looked at it as well. the point is that if this does mean something, and if it could mean something that could impact u.s. law. >> but this treaty states it's not self-executing. and the u.s. supreme court has said that a non-self executing treaty doesn't create obligations that could be enforced in u.s. federal courts. >> the fact that it may be non-self executing, anderson, doesn't mean that it doesn't have any impact a
of education which the court held it was unconstitutional. so why wait until 1967 to hear the case about interracial marriage. here are all of the states that had laws on the books. banning interracial marriage. by 1967 only 16 states still had the laws on the books. in the decades between 1947 and 1967 the years the supreme court was staying mum on the issue, most states decided on their own. the court was following on their heels, following the heels of public opinion. this is a big debate in the legal world. is the supreme court influenced by american public opinion? these are nine people who could completely ignore the will of the people. they are appointed for life. they can totally ignore us if they choose. many legal experts say that's not how it works. they are swayed by what the people think about issues. they announced they would hear two cases involving same-sex marriage. that's huge. they would hear the prop 8 case out of california. that's the california ballot proposition which amended the california constitution to define marriage between a man and a woman. the court will
know this better than i do, whether it's immigration, education, voter suppression, what the leadership of the party has done is say on immigration, you know, you got -- we want deportation. when it talks about education, it's talking about not funding it anymore. when they talk about voter suppression, they deny people the right to vote in a civil manner -- >> but you grew up in this party. it has been a party tough on immigration before, hasn't it? hasn't it been a party on a number of the issues you mentioned before? before recently. when is the big -- when do you think the republican party in your terms broke bad? when did it start to be a party you couldn't be comfortably a member of anymore as governor or as a political person at all? >> i think it started several years ago, maybe three, two, three years ago. i left the party two years ago and became an independent. and i did so because of the fact that, you know, on all of those issues it just wasn't comfortable for me to be there anymore. i mean, you know, everybody has the right to be a member of whatever party they want and i
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for emergency contraception. joining me now is dr. laura burman a sex educator and a therapist and the host of in the bedroom on own. dr. burman, first of all, let me tell you i think this is probably one of the more outyaj just things i have seen this week. >> more than banning christmas. >> laura: i'm away from politics a lot this week. this? i have a young daughter and i think of a doctor telling a mom to leave the room so he can tell a young girl, maybe she is a christian girl, doesn't believe in this. her religion doesn't believe in this. telling the young girl well, if you have sex, can you use this morning after pill which includes things like dangers like thrombosis, pulmonary embolism. you can get a heart attack. you can have severe bleeding. retinal thrombosis. all sorts of hazards associated with taking that which is a big big big dose of hormones for young girls. how you can defend, this doctor? >> okay. well, first of all, i know this is a hot button topic. doctors are not telling girls if you have sex you can use this prescription. what the academy is recommending is that the
security, medicare, medicaid, education. that's not bernie sanders' point of view that is clearly what the american people believe. and the president, democrats have got to hold firm and when they do, it will finally be the republicans that come to the table rather than just the democrats caving in, as has been the case in the past. >> all right, senator bernie sanders, appreciate your time on this friday night. thank you so much for joining us. >>> coming up, the fight over the fiscal cliff is putting american jobs at risk. one of these congressional members is lying about the problem. we'll use the newest job numbers to get to the truth next. >>> and republicans in michigan are ramming through antiunion legislation and hurting middle class americans in the process. the people of michigan are outraged. we're talking to lansing, michigan mayor virg bernero. stay tuned. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." we told you at the top of the show republicans are dragging their feet to get a tax cut deal with the american people. those republican
versus virginia. employment discrimination, 13 years after brown versus board of education. the supreme court had a marriage case on its bokt in 1956. but kicked it. because it didn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole so waited for more states to come around. it's also the year that guess who's coming to dinner comes out. there's a cultural legal convergence. we're at that moment for the gay community now. one of the historians in the gay marriage trial, nancy kauts, a historian of marriage, she said one of the emancipated slaves after -- the slaves flocked to get married. she testified that one of the emancipated slaves said the marriage covenant is a foundation of all of our rights. so i totally agree with rea that this is just the beginning but it is an important cornerstone to building full equality for lgbt citizens. >> this question of sort of how enslaved people thought about marriage, the extent to which they engaged in formal marriages and then the extent to which ones given the freedom it became one of the first things that free people did to represent their freedom is ins
from steve cook, head of the michigan education association was a guest on our program. the union leadership was working, meeting with governor schneider and he said no the last thing i want is -- i don't want to split this state the way they did in wisconsin and ohio. no no, no. i don't want anything to do with that. i want to work together with the unions. i don't want anything to do with this rumors that they might try to pass some so-called right-to-work legislation in michigan. they met for like about ten days and then on friday, the republican-controlled legislature forced through -- get this now -- with no public hearings no debate on the floor, no members of the public allowed to testify for it or against it, no members of the public even allowed in the state capitol building when they passed this bill it would make michigan the 24th state to have the so-called right-to-work legislation on the books. they forced it through and then rick sha nidor in a total turnaround, a total flip-flop a total doubl
. the most famous in brown v. board of education, which the court held unanimously separate was unconstitutional. so why wait until 1967 to hear the case about interracial marriage. here are all of the states that had laws on the books in 1947 banning interracial marriage. by 1967 only 16 states still had those laws on the books. in the two decades between 1947 and 1967, the years the supreme court was staying mum on the issue, most states decided on their own it was unconstitutional to ban interracial marriage, or at least was. the court was following on their heels, following the heels of public opinion. this is a big debate in the legal world. is the supreme court influenced by american public opinion? these are nine people who could completely ignore the will of the people. they are appointed for life. no election. no culpability. they can totally ignore us if they choose. many legal experts say that's not how it works. supreme court justices are, in fact, swayed by what people in this country think about issues. today the supreme court announced it would hear two cases
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of education which invalidated racial segregation in public schools split the nation in half. within two decades it had become iconic. a high court ruling would similarly divide the nation in 2013 yet given how quickly public opinion is evolving within a decade or so, such a decision would be youthfully applauded. what justice would not be tempted to offer the opinion within a few short years would be known as the brown vs. board of education of the gay rights movement. [ applause ] that was from michael klahrman. >> helpful paragraphs. >> stephanie: mostly helpful. grasping at gay straws here. john roberts wore a sweater around his neck in fire island in 1973. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> '78? >> stephanie: something. >> that picture was later. >> it was the '80s. >> the collars were too narrows. if it was the 70s, they would have been out to here. >> stephanie: what good does that information do for anybody? we're all very tense. all right. i will talk to some actual legal experts as we -- you know who we should get?
of education when they are handing out these orders extending the principle at public accommodations. but it has a marriage case and gets rid of it and says this is too soon. and so it sits 11 years later to take it up. many of us thought this is exactly what's going to happen with the prop 8 case. the doma case is slightly different. but many of us thought the prop 8 case it's going to go back. it's going to be legal in california but nowhere else and the court is going to wait another ten years. >> so what are the implications -- the differing implications of how they could rule? what different parts of the gay marriage question e could they resolve? >> the doma case is a much more easy case. all it does is to return congress to its original position of following whatever states say the definition of marriage are. so it was crafted because it's a movement. they tend to be pro-state's rights and the liberals are pro-gay so arguing towards the middle, these are justice kennedy's favorite things. that's clearly a fifth vote for this case. we assume. so i think everyone imagined everyo
schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >>> legal trouble is brewing for international pop star shakira. she's being sued for $100 million by her former manager and boyfriend. he claims he turned her into an icon and wants her to pay up. the legal guys are back. avery friedman and richard herman. the gist of the question filed is whether this guy can collect on what was essentially a verbal contract. this is basically a breach of contract case. do you think he can collect on a verbal contract for this kind of money, avery? >> well, you know what? shakira made "hips don't lie" famous but she claims her ex-boyfriend is lying. when it comes to
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systems when brown verz the board of education was decided. in 1967 16 states waned interracial marriages. when roe v. wade was decided abortion was legal in only four states. you look at the numbers on gay marriage. 1996 compared to today. in 1996 27% of the country thought gay marriage should be valid. by 2012 it's 50%. as someone who works closely on this issue, what do we owe that almost sea change in public opinion to? >> i think a big -- the recent sea change, i think a lot we owe to president obama, his leadership. i think he particularly, the african-american community, i think his speaking out on this has made a big deal. the other thing i think that's made a big deal is the visibility of gay and lesbian people. the more -- the court is not immune to that. the more people meet gay people as their clerk oorz family members or their friends or neighbors, the more they realize that this notion that they shouldn't be able to get married, which is a deeply conservative institution, the idea that two people can't love each other and get -- be in a stable relationship, which is family v
in training and educating our workers and advanced manufacturing and also providing the revenue that we need to still provide health care to our seniors and social security to those who depend on it. >> sir, let's talk about getting to the sensible center here. because as the politico poll that i referenced earlier off the top of the show indicates, 59% oppose significant cuts to defense but 75% favor across the board spending cuts. so where are you and other colleagues willing to start with those spending cuts? i mean, what are democrats willing to put on the table specifically? >> well, first of all, i've spoken to many republicans in the house. i'm one of the most liberal democratic members of the house, but i have great relationships with the republicans. all of us want to resolve this crisis. we want to come to an agreement. so i believe that we will find a way to negotiate this. we also look at, in addition to cutting in areas of pentagon spending such as maintaining nuclear weapons, we have more than enough nuclear weapons to blow up this world many times over again, we can eliminate
the national education association, the uaw, the seiu, a couple of unions breaking in there. they're the only groups with money to compete at all with the corporation givers who give largely to republicans. so when republicans are taking on the unions, when they're forcing decline in membership and what right to worker as the president puts it right to work for less, i happen to like that phrasing, it causes union membership to decline and less money for political action and there's a cynical political motive and i just want to put this all in perspective. if we could put the chart back up that was just on the screen. as union membership declined in this country, right along with it, middle class share of the income has declined. and i know the story is not that simple. but the decline of labor in this country has been a very important piece of the story of the decline of the middle class and rising inequality in the country. paul krugman has an article talking about profits as a share of national economy surging while the share of national income going to labor through wages and other compos
made me nuts, as it made anybody who is educated on this issue, because it's based on this flawed assumption that any conversation about what we can do from a policy perspective is infringement on second amendment rights. listen, the second amendment has been decided. it's been decided in the heller case. there is a right to own guns in our country and we need to respect that. the fact is, there are things we can do with a deep inherent respect for the second amendment and lindsey graham's love of hunting and love of shooting and his belief in the second amendment to save lives and prevent tragedies and just to cut off that conversation just in the name of, you know, it's an infringement on my rights, it's irresponsible leadership, actually. you know, there are things that we can do to prevent many of the 32 gun murders that happen every day without doing anything contradictory to the second amendment. the american public wants to have that conversation. this is a frank luntz poll, 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. because nra members like average americans re
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for interracial marriage. like brown versus board of education. it's time to say you have the right to be in a committed relationship with the person you love and the government shouldn't tell you who that is. it's a simple, clear-cut case and i certainly hope the supreme court agrees. >> democratic congressman, jared polis of colorado, do appreciate your time. >> coming up. >> someone get corey booker a super hero cape. the latest adventure of the newark mayor. he's at it again. >>> and then we flash back to 1992, when separation beset the house of windsor, stay tuned, you're watching msnbc. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of
to go. i think it is so important that the younger people be educated and it really opened his eyes to see what the real world was like and he was going to come back and report it to his history class today in high school. >> stephanie: wow. >> caller: i just think it is so great. i think we need more of that. we need more education out there as to how good unions are. >> stephanie: you have a -- obviously a proud history in michigan and now you know what else, you have, a $100 gift code! flowers gift code. >> you're the best call of the day, carol. >> stephanie: and you're union and you're from michigan. hang on. >> wow! >> travis will get your info. >> stephanie: for the perfect holiday gift, go to proflowers.com, enter the promo code stephanie. there you go. okay. tony in north carolina. hey, tony, welcome. >> how you doing stephanie? >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: this president needs to start acting like ronald reagan -- i know who ronald reagan is supposed to be but who is tip o'neil supposed
. >>> some are calling it the next "roe v. wade" or brown versus board of education. the issue the u.s. supreme court agreed to take on that will make history. >>> all of those who argued for non-intervention because of the things that might happen have now happened because we failed to intervene. >> when is enough enough? that is the question many are asking about syria as the death toll climbs and concerns mount over chemical weapons. now some lawmakers are saying it may be too late to stop mass destruction. >>> and could this be the end of "gangnam style" mania? why pop sensation psy is apologizing for some anti-american lyrics. [ telephones ringing ] at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or better. yeah? hey. hey. where's your suit? oh, it's casual friday. oh. [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. this holiday season, get a 2013 malibu ls for around $199 per month, or get $1,000 holiday bonus cash. it's hard to see opportunity in today's challenging environment. unless you have the right perspective. bny mellon wealth manageme
're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, republican senator marco rubio gave the weekly republican address today. part of his message? the tax rate should not go up on anyone including the top 2%. >> we must reform our complicated, uncertain, job-killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be to generate new revenue by creating new taxpayers, not new taxes. >> joining me, author of "the escape artists: how obama's team fumbled the recovery." david nakamura is with us, as well, from "the washington post." good to see you. what's your read on this, first of all, both sides publicly giving the impression they are sticking to their guns? >> yeah. i think in the past week you've seen some movement in the gop, some acknow
to do the brown versus board of education of our time. >> sure. we don't know who voted to take up the proposition 8 case, right? at least four justices have to be supportive of the coming on board. could it have been for liberal justices thinking that kennedy, the presumed swing vote might be with them or those opposed to marriage equality presuming that kennedy might be with them. but i think that the court despite being above the fray, as it were it interacted with the political realities and the world, so it is standoffish but it cannot help being effected from those around us. >> stephanie: not only it is repulsive what scalia said it makes no legal sense? i'm seeing less and less legal reasoning for ruling against equal rights, aren't you? >> i think so. and i think what is most potentially chilling about the marks is you say regardless of what he may think, but what does that tell us about what he thinks and the fact he will be looking at these cases, and we're talking in particular about the proposition 8 case. but then what does it tell us about what
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